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Iron Man sucks

You know how I hate Iron Man? I mean, not just because he's a crypto-fascist Right Wing police-state warmonger. Not just because he's a boozy jerk, and certainly not just his pedo-stache; this is the guy who basically got Captain America killed. I've opined before about the star-spangled champion of Civil Liberties and American honor being replaced by a tin-pot military-industrial fascist as being not inappropriate for our current politics. But this time, it's freakin' personal. Iron Man hates linux.

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yagathai
Apr. 11th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
My bet: He's a Skrull.
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
That would be too easy. I think he's just a Republican.
yagathai
Apr. 11th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
He can be both. If Cheney were a Skrull, the last eight years make a lot more sense.
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
Oh.My.God.
yagathai
Apr. 11th, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
Right? Right?
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
Shhh, no more. This is a public post!
blanchemains
Apr. 11th, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
Are you *trying* to pick a fight with me? Really?
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Look, I can't be responsible for YOUR insanity.
blanchemains
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
Captain America got *himself* killed. (And, for the record, I don't believe he's nearly so dead as people are saying.) And didn't you, yourself, have pretty much the same facial hair not so long ago? Oh, I think you did.

Also, Iron Man is NOT a Skrull. But since we're on the subject, let's not forget that we can thank both Reed Richards and YOUR penis for the fact that the Skrulls need someplace else to live.
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:04 pm (UTC)
Iron Man used to have just a 'stache. It was seriously 70's-fabulous. By which I mean, hideous.

And no, Cap stood up for what's right and good. Tony Stark stood up for what's politically expedient.
blanchemains
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
Please. Tom Selleck rocked that look.

Also:

a·nach·ro·nism /əˈnækrəˌnɪzəm/ Spelled Pronunciation[uh-nak-ruh-niz-uhm] Pronunciation Key
–noun 1. something or someone that is not in its correct historical or chronological time, esp. a thing or person that belongs to an earlier time: The sword is an anachronism in modern warfare.
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:13 pm (UTC)
honor hon·or
–noun
1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
blanchemains
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Damn! That's a good point! Wrong, but good.
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
You don't actually think Iron Man was in the right, do you? I mean, holding people in perpetual detainment in another dimension without trial or charge? Putting the owner and CEO of the largest arms manufacturer in the country as director of S.H.I.E.L.D., the government agency that is one of its largest buyers?

Doesn't civil liberty, due process, and separation of powers mean ANYTHING to you, woman? Or are you all about trading your liberty for security? (and getting and deserving neither, if Ben Franklin is to believed!)
blanchemains
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
It's not just about that and you know it.

But I have to go and do some things and will have to resume this at a later time. Also, I suspect that I have read one of the trade paperbacks that you haven't?
blanchemains
Apr. 12th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
Okay. So where I think you are wrong (*wrong*, WRONG!) is in questioning Tony Stark's motives, rather than his methods. Because I believe that he did everything for all the right reasons but was totally Machiavellian in his means. The writing was on the wall before the incident in Connecticut and Stark was absolutely correct that the heroes would have to either direct the changes themselves or have changes forced upon them. He was also aware of some things that everyone else wasn't: the government was already developing Project Wide Awake.

The biggest mistake that Iron Man made was in not telling the people closest to him what he already knew. If he had confided in Captain America and Spiderman, they likely would have stuck by him and given him more of a moral compass.

BTW- He never intended to hold any of the superheroes in the prison for very long. He said so to scare the people still on the fence into compliance. The intent was to hold the unregistered superheroes there to test the structure, secure pardons for them and use it for the supervillains. (I can loan you the book, if you like.)

And finally, as he explains in another place, it's not enough to just be against something; you have to be for something better.
cacofunny
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:13 pm (UTC)
That's assuming, of course, that Stark wasn't too drunk to stand in the first place...
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 10:15 pm (UTC)
You know, I don't even hold his alcoholism against him - he sobered up, and at least eventually behaved responsibly.
cacofunny
Apr. 11th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
I wonder how much of his alcoholism they'll touch on in this movie. Hopefully they will do enough to really get into it in the sequel (assuming this one warrants it).
aghrivaine
Apr. 11th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
I've read that it's not even an issue - they're saving it for the sequel. Since it hit so close to home for Robert Downey, I thought that was an odd choice.... but I'll wait and see.
blanchemains
Apr. 12th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
Ha! They should totally ban you from seeing the movie!
lonerhino
Apr. 12th, 2008 04:17 am (UTC)
On the contrary, his intimate knowledge of chemical addiction makes him the perfect choice.
nephandi
Apr. 13th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
I have a soft spot for heroes who are essentially human. Batman, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, and Iron Man... even if that last one is a dick.
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